The Abortion Issue ~ When Does Life Begin?
For all those that know the true and living God and that believe in the Gospel of Christ, the issues of abortion and homosexuality are easy to understand, while it remains a stumbling block for all those that refuse to accept God's message of repentance – as will be all of Scriptures (1 Cor. 1:23; 1 Peter 2:7,8).
The following is an excerpt from the article Born of God listed on this website.
"The pro-life organization and its related abortion issue, child adoption, blood or organ donation, organ transplants, soup kitchens, food banks or any fund raising event has nothing to do with the gift of "LIFE" (John 4:14; 5:26; 6:27,35,54; 10:28; 17:3; Rom 2:7; 6:23; 1 John 1:2; 2:25; Rev 2:7,26)."
Also, the first time we ever addressed the issue of abortion was on April 4, 1988 in a letter to James Hayes, Archbishop of Halifax, N.S., Canada. The following is an excerpt.
"What right do you have to even make statements on abortion when it is said that Pope Gregory in his time ordered a fish pond in Rome, situated near a convent, drained and at the bottom were found over 6,000 infant skulls. Didn't you know that the province of Quebec records more abortions than any other province while it is predominantly catholic?
What right do you have to make statements of immorality while the papal household itself has been accused of rape, adultery and all other manner of fornication?
I won't even go into detail about some of the other things that have been recorded throughout the history of the catholic institution."
You can read the full content of our letter to the Archbishop in the article Sexual Abuse in the Churches on this website.
The following is an excerpt of the article Foundations Out of Course listed on this website.
"Something must be drastically wrong also when leaders of denominational churches stand so vehemently in opposition to abortion, only to have a Canadian province like Quebec record more abortions than any other province, while the majority of its people are Roman Catholic. Or a country like Brazil, which is predominately Roman Catholic, but nevertheless records more abortions than any other country in the world?
On one side of the issue are those who support Pro-Life and on the other side those who support Pro-Choice, who also use the very words from the Bible ("judge and you will not be judged") to support their cause, just as those who support Pro-Life.
Is it possible that perhaps both sides are wrong and that neither side understands the words from the Bible? Is there a possibility that the Bible is true? Perhaps the Pro-Life organization has nothing to do with the true gift of "Life" and the judgment of Pro-Choice is perhaps after the judgment of mankind (who judge after the flesh) and has nothing to do with the true judgment of God? Like everyone else, they were born in sin and under the spirit of darkness and unless they repent they will die in their sin (Luke 13:1-5).
As explained in chapters 5 and 6 of this book, sin is not just an act such as prostitution, alcoholism, adultery, a drug addiction or abortion, as the spirit of this world has made you believe, but is the fruit of every man, woman and child (Rom 3:9; Gal 3:22).
Something must be drastically wrong when a bishop lectures his followers on issues like immorality, while at the same time a number of priests in his own diocese are convicted of sexual abuse involving young children."
We encourage you to read the full content of the article Foundations Out of Course listed on this website.
As mankind continues to walk in darkness (John 1:5; 3:19; 1 Cor. 2:14) they will not be able to comprehend that those that claim to be Pro-Choice and Pro-Life are of the same spirit and both sides will remain divided by the spirit of this world (Matthew 12:25-27), in the same way members of religious organizations judge homosexuals after the flesh (John 8:15), while they walk after the same spirit (Luke 9:55).
We recently addressed the issue of homosexuality with Julian Gillard, the Prime Minister of Australia.
The following is an excerpt of our letter to her on the issue.
"Sexual perversion contributed to God's wrath on the sons of God during the days of Noah and it is no different today (Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 1 Thess. 1:10).
On June 15, 2005, we wrote the Legislative Committee on Bill-C38, a bill which eventually passed and Canada became the fourth country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage. Receipt of our correspondence was never acknowledged, neither was our voice ever allowed to be heard. One thing we know with certainty, that God's judgment accelerated rapidly, since same-sex marriage was allowed in so many countries, and it is only a matter of time before it becomes an acceptable practice in most countries throughout the world.
Can't the law makers of the nations even understand and recognize that the anatomy of the male and female body was created for the sole purpose of procreation? For this reason God created them male and female (Genesis 2:25; Matthew 19:5). Through his own free will mankind concocted the idea of homosexuality for his own pleasures as God has given them up to such vile affections (Romans 1:24-32; Jude 10). Consider the problem of pedophilia and the sexual perversion of priests and ministers, in which children are preferred as sexual objects. There are many other forms of sexual perversion that we will not even mention. It is all an abomination in God's eyes as this whole world lieth in wickedness (1 John 5:19). One thing is clear that even the animal kingdom knows the difference and their behavior towards their own gender and the younger ones can be considered more respectful than that of mankind."
We invite you to read the full content of our letter in the article Julian Gillard ~ Prime Minister of Australia on this website.
As mentioned before issues like abortion and homosexuality will continue to divide the nations as part of God's judgment as people do not want to hearken to God's message of repentance and prefers darkness over light (John 3:19).
Now God's message of repentance is not what mankind by nature has been conditioned to believe. It is much more than just an act like homosexuality and abortion. It is the fruit of every man, woman and child. It is what continues to separate mankind from God. For a better understanding what it means to be a sinner, what it means to repent and how mankind can overcome sin we invite you to read the articles What is Sin?, Repent and Victory over Sin on this website.
Sean Hannity of Fox News recently discussed the issue of abortion with Al Sharpton and Rick Santorum. Al Sharpton is an American Baptist Minister. He is also the President of the National Action Network. Rick Santorum is a former United States Senator and a Senior Fellow with the Ethics and Public Policy Centre in Washington, D.C., and a contributor to the Fox News Channel.
Please find below a copy of our e-mail to Sean Hannity of Fox News, dated January 25, 2011, explaining the abortion issue. Copies were forwarded to the Fox News Manager, Al Sharpton, Rick Santorum, Jonathan Morris, a Catholic Priest and regular contributor to Fox News and Piers Morgan of CNN.
Subject: Abortion Debate ~ Pro Life, Pro Choice both Wrong
For more on the subject on abortion we invite you to read the article Foundations Out of Course on our website www.aworlddeceived.ca (not.com)
In several articles we have spoken of the natural body and the spiritual body, as did the apostle Paul in 1 Cor. 15:44. To have a better understanding of the natural body and the spiritual body we invite you to read the articles: Who is God and who is Satan? - What is Sin? and Victory Over Sin listed on this website.
We have depicted the natural and the spiritual body on top of all of our web-pages as a means to explain the Mystery of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Mark 4:11; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 4:1; Eph. 1:9; 3:3; 6:19; Col. 2:2; 1Tim. 3:16). The header depicts the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
To go back to the issue of abortion you probably ask yourself the question: How can both sides be wrong? We will explain.
Every baby is conceived in sin (1 Peter 1:23) – eventually born in sin (Rom 3:9) and unless they repent as they grow up and become born again (of God) they will die in their sin (Romans 6:23).
Even though we have written you and forwarded copies of numerous e-mails the last two years you are not able to understand any of the above, as the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2:14).
Yes, the Pro-Life people and the Pro-Choice people are all of the same spirit (Luke (9:55) and we know that our judgment is true as it is after the righteousness of God (1 Cor. 2:15). Their debate on abortion only divides the people of this world (Matthew 12:25,26). In fact you are of the same spirit as the Pro-Choice people as is Al Sharpton, Rick Santorum and Jonathan Morris and unless you repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose power you are under) unto God (Acts 26:18) you will die in your sin also.
Any aborted child is no different than the millions of children that die each year as a result of hunger or those that are still inside the mother's womb who die of Aids, Cancer, some other disease and hunger. God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34; Romans 2:11; 1 Peter 1:17). Mankind, being separated from God is no different than an animal, which also has no living soul.
So, what about the believers (saints)? God knew them before they were formed inside their mother's womb, and before they came forth out of the womb they were sanctified, and were ordained prophets unto the nations (Jeremiah 1:5; Psalm 139:13; Isaiah 44:2; 49:5). We can explain why the spirit of this world wanted to kill Christ after He was born. For the first four years of my life Satan did everything to destroy me as well and for this reason my parents had a box ready for my burial for the first four years of my life but God already knew me and protected me. I never understood this till God revealed Himself to us.
What you do with this e-mail is your choice but if you did repent (please study what it means), your heart and mind would be opened and the Word of God would give you the answer to every question you have ever raised on your show. Right now you deceive all your listeners. Also, Al Sharpton, Rick Santorum and Jonathan Morris will not be able to answer any questions as they are spiritually blind and separated from God, as is everyone else associated with your show and all those you invite for that Great American Panel. It is like throwing the football during your show, it is all vanity.
If you ever have any questions and like some real answers please do not hesitate to contact us. In the meantime we encourage you to read all of the pages and articles of the website www.aworlddeceived.ca (not .com), especially the latest articles Mormon Church ~ Cult and Spiritual Harlot and Julia Gillard ~ Prime Minister of Australia. Also, a copy of the latest item to the Current Events page entitled What motivated the Arizona shooter?
During Barack Obama's State Of The Union Address on January 25, 2011, all those in attendance were wearing black and white ribbons in honor of those that died in the Arizona shooting, while just the day before eleven police officers were shot within a twenty four hour period, some of whom died. No further words need to be added to explain the state of the country.
In His Service.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg
Recently a Canadian Member of Parliament proposed a roundabout way of reopening the abortion debate, despite Prime Minister Harper's government's insistence that it has no plans to engage in the conversation.
Stephen Woodworth, the Tory MP for Kitchener Centre, said he believes it is unacceptable — "illegitimate and wrong" — for Canada to have a law that doesn't recognize a "child" as a human being before the moment of "complete birth."
He also called for a special committee to examine when human life begins, a call opponents say is an excuse to reopen the debate over abortion.
We contacted Mr. Woodworth first on February 6, 2012 to give him a better understanding of the work of our Ministry. The following day we decided to summarize the information he was seeking on abortion and explain to him when 'Life' begins and at what stage of development a human being becomes a living soul.
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:06:05 -0400
Subject: Does 'Life' start at conception?
Further to our e-mails from yesterday we like to give you a small summary of the above subject question.
1) The answer to the above subject question is 'No'. Please read on. We know that our answer is 100% correct.
2) In order to be able to understand God's mystery we invite you to read the article 'The Natural Body vs the Spiritual Body listed on our website www.aworlddeceived.ca
3) Every person including yourself, is conceived and born in sin through the sinful seed of our natural fathers (1 Peter 1:23).
4) All of us are conditioned in sin and live after the flesh and unless people repent they will die. Please study what it means to repent as it means a lot more than what by nature you have been conditioned to believe.
5) God knows every believer before they are formed inside the womb (Jeremiah 1:5). It is irrelevant if a person dies while they are still in the womb or whether they live in the natural body and eventually die at any age. An aborted baby is of the same spirit (Luke 9:55) as all those children that die of AIDS, hunger, cancer or any other disease.
6) Unless you repent you will not be able to understand any of the above as the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2:14).
7) We know what we speak of as he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man (1 Cor. 2:15).
8) There is no need to inquire of the above with your local church as the leaders are spiritually blind and cannot understand the above.
9) We invite you to read the article 'The Abortion Issue' listed on our website www.aworlddeceived.ca.
10) It is our hope that you will study and accept God's message of repentance and that you will come to the knowledge of the truth (1Timothy 2:4).
11) We would be pleased to testify before the members of Parliament to explain the abortion issue and all of the other mysteries of God.
12) 'Life' begins with knowing Christ and in Him is Life (John 1:4; 5:40; 6:35; 10:10; 11:25; 14:6; 20:31; Romans 8:6; James 1:12; 1 John 5:12). Presently mankind has been deceived (Rev. 12:9) and follows after a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15).
13) If you ever have any questions please feel free to contact us.
SEEK, AND YE SHALL FIND (MATTHEW 7:7).
In His Service.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg
Since we have communicated on numerous occasions to the Prime Minister's Office on different issues and since Mr. Woodworth's motion involved the Canadian Government and Parliament, we forwarded a copy of our e-mail (see below) to the Prime Minister, Mr. Stephen Harper.
A copy was forwarded to Mr. Geoff Regan, a Member of Parliament for Halifax West, the riding where we reside and to Mr. Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defense. He represents the riding of Central Nova in Nova Scotia, our home Province. We also informed Mr. Woodworth of our communication to the Prime Minister.
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:01:40 -0400
To: Stephen Harper <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Does 'Life' start at conception?
Cc: Stephen Woodworth <email@example.com>, Geoff Regan
<firstname.lastname@example.org>, Peter Mackay <email@example.com>
Please find below a copy of our e-mail to Stephen Woodworth in response to him tabling a motion in Parliament proposing a roundabout way of reopening the abortion debate and his question when human life begins.
We have explained the mysteries of God on a number of occasions and we are sorry that you never inquired of the Spirit of truth (John 14:17).
Our explanation of 'Life' and when it begins is the only proper annotation and elucidation as it is spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2:14).
We have recently written you on a number of issues, i.e. Health-Care and the work of The Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Our views on those issues were spiritually discerned as well and will provide your Government with the only solution for the people of Canada.
All of the other mysteries of God we have explained on our website www.aworlddeceived.ca.
We look forward to answer any questions you may have.
In His Service.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg
Every year on the anniversary of the 1973 ruling of Roe vs Wade (1973), those that oppose the Court ruling walk in the so-called March for Life, a march that is a waste of time and energy as their efforts are all in vain. It has nothing to do whatsoever with 'Life'.
To be carnally minded (of the flesh, worldly) is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace (Romans 8:6). In fact the carnal mind (human nature) is enmity against God (Romans 8:7) and whosover therefore will be a friend of this world is an enemy of God (James 4:4).
For a better understanding of 'The Natural Body vs the Spiritual Body' we invite you to read the article on this website.
Roe vs Wade prompted a national debate in the USA that continues today about issues including whether, and to what extent, abortion should be legal, who should decide the legality of abortion, what methods the Supreme Court should use in constitutional adjudication, and what the role should be of religious and moral views in the political sphere. Roe vs Wade reshaped national politics, dividing much of the United States into pro-choice and pro-life camps, while activating grassroots movements on both sides.
Since the launch of our website we have attempted to explain to the people of this world what they must do to be reunited with the true and living God, in the hope that they would come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4). Notwithstanding, despite our message of Repentance mankind prefers darkness over light (John 3:19) and continues to follow after man's wisdom and not after God (1 Cor. 1:4-7), as they prefer to follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24).
There is not a country that is more divided over social issues than the USA and most issues are promoted by the opinions of those that are either, what they refer to as to the left or to the right. The Political Parties and the media networks are a most divisive force as they choose sides to promote their own ideologies that divides the people on issues like: Religion, so-called Christianity (followers of a false Christ), Health-Care, Politics, Homosexuality, Abortion, Gun Control, etc., etc.
As the voice of this world we have communicated our message of Repentance (please study what it means) to the major media networks (CNN, FOX).
In our article 'The Abortion Issue' we have shown some of our communication to Sean Hannity, reporter for Fox News, who promotes his own ideologies and self-righteousness and who has no understanding of his spiritual blindness, the Abortion Issue and when 'Life' begins.
Please find below a copy of a recent email to Sean Hannity and his associates at Fox to explain to him when 'Life' begins and that God is the judge of Life and Death (Gen. 2:7; Job 12:10; Ps. 36:9; 66:9; Acts 17:28; John 5:24; 6:27,54; 10:28; 17:3; Romans 6:23; 1 John 1:2; 2:25; Jude 21; Rev. 2:7; 21:6)). A copy was also forwarded to Piers Morgan and Wolf Blitzer at CNN.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com>
To: "Hannity, Sean" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: Juan Williams <email@example.com>, "Will, George" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Wallace, Chris" <email@example.com>, "Van Sustern, Greta" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Greta Van Sustern <email@example.com>, "Thomas, Cal" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Tantaros, Andrea" <email@example.com>, John Stossel <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Starnes, Todd" <email@example.com>, "Smith, Shepard" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Shepard Smith <email@example.com>, "Scott, Jon" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, James Rosen <email@example.com>, "Powers, Kirsten" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Perino, Dana" <email@example.com>, "O'Reilly, Bill" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Bill O'Reilly <email@example.com>, Andrew Napalitano <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Morris, Jonathan" <email@example.com>, "Morris, Clayton" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Piers Morgan <email@example.com>, "MacCallum, Martha" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Wolf Blitzer <email@example.com>
"Lee, Jenna" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Kurtz, Howard" <email@example.com>, "Krauthammer, Charles" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Kilmeade, Brian" <email@example.com>, Megyn Kelly <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Kellogg, Amy" <email@example.com>, Laura Ingraham <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Huddy, Juliet" <email@example.com>, "Hemmer, Bill" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Gutfeld, Greg" <email@example.com>, Kimberly Guilfoyle <firstname.lastname@example.org>, John Gibson <email@example.com>, "Geraldo, Rivera" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Gasparino, Charley" <email@example.com>, "Earhardt, Ainsley" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Doocy, Steve" <email@example.com>, "Crowley, Monica" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Clemente, Michael" <email@example.com>, "Cavuto, Neil" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Neil Cavuto <email@example.com>, "Carlson, Gretchen" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Camerota, Alisyn" <email@example.com>, Carl Cameron <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Burke, Greg" <email@example.com>, "Briggs, Dave" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Beckel, Bob" <email@example.com>, "Baier, Bret" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, David Asman <email@example.com>, Roger Ailes <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: January 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM
Subject: Confirmation when Life begins
Please find below a copy of earlier emails that explains the Mystery of Life (not displayed as part of this email). Life does not begin at Conception and scientists will not be able to determine when Life begins, as like yourself and your associates at Fox, they are spiritually blind. An unborn baby is not a living soul. Like all of mankind they are separated from God through the sinful seed of their natural fathers (1 Peter 1:23). As a member of the natural body you think of it in strictly natural terms but spiritually the end result is 'death' (Romans 6:23, 8:1-14).
For a better understanding of the abortion issue, we invite you to read the article 'The Abortion Issue ~ When Does Life Begin?' listed on our website www.aworlddeceived.ca.
We welcome your questions.
Andy & Dianne van den Berg